I think I finally was able to get a lot of my memories down and concise in one post. It's super long. And triggering beware.
Okay so I have difficult time knowing what not to say ended up writing novel. Read at risk. Triggering. This mentions the sexual stuff.
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I know my father loves me, but it is an INTENSE love - an unhealthy, smothering and enmeshed love mixed with abuse. It's very confusing.
I know my mother loves me too but she can be very controlling and passive aggressive at times, especially when I was 9/10+.
Apparently there is such a thing as non-touching sexual abuse, covert sexual abuse, emotional incest, etc. and they're all very closely related, oftentimes interrelated. This was basically my whole childhood.
For instance (I don't know if these were really abusive or not and that confuses me):
My mother and father would both bathe me until I was (at least I feel now) far old enough to bathe myself, yet they didn't really teach me how to do it so they had to do it for me and/or asked them to because I was dependent on them.
My my mother was almost always nude and would rub her breasts and her pubic area with her hands an awful lot (not really masturbating, just constant touching) and would lounge on the couch naked and very much exposed, sometimes sprawled out. She would do everything naked: cleaning, cooking, watching movies, etc. mostly when her and I were alone. When my father came home and she saw that he was pulling into the driveway from work, she would run away fast and shut herself in her room sometimes for hours, leaving dad and I together, sometimes she would just get dressed and run back out in time for him to get in the house and it was like nothing had happened. It's like she didn't want him to see her naked.
She would always want to have "cuddle time" with me and as I got older I HATED it. She would spoon me and caress my rib area, belly, back, and thighs. It's fuzzy can't remember much else. She wasn't naked during these times, but then again my memory is paltry so who knows. In fact I can't remember if I was naked or not... maybe I was naked I just can't remember. It's all so foggy.
She would do it to my cousins too when they were really little (2-6) and I remember wanting to run up and hit her and and whisk them away but I didn't, I never knew why I felt this way... cuz she wasn't doing anything wrong that I could see. I just knew in the pit of my stomach I wanted to be sick and kill myself all at once and even hurt her very badly. I just remember having the thought, "She is molesting them." But I had no idea why I thought that.
She had no boundaries. She would watch me bathe and shower, watch me use the toilet, barge in while I was dressing/undressing and when I would get upset she would laugh at me and tell me I was being uptight.
My dad on the other hand - our relationship was very sexual too but not so much physically as it was emotionally. He treated me as his wife, called me his little angel, we were severely enmeshed and there was severe triangulation between him, my mom, and myself.
He would make comments about my breasts and would pretend he was going to touch them and would chase me all over the house chanting, "boobies, boobies, boobies" maybe he even did touch, I can't remember, this took place ages (4-16 or older).
He would rub and pinch my butt and would tell me I had a "cute little ass" and that he could touch it "any damn time" he wanted to.
He frequently told me I was his.
He would do "torture games" that were severely painful, some of which allowed him to touch right next to my vagina or at least graze over it but I don't think he ever actually touched it.
He and I also wrestled a lot and there was a lot of power struggles as he'd get really excited when he'd pin me down so I couldn't move at all and do the torture games and tickle games. Sickening feelings...
He would tell me about his sexual life (or lack of) in great long-winded pity parties about how lonely he was and how my mom wouldn't pleasure him and how he wanted to be touched in that way men need and asked me if I found him attractive or sexy, I was maybe 9-11?
He one time, forced me to kiss him, and he pinned me down on my bed and I had to punch him in the head 3 times to get him off of me, I was 19 or 20. Then he cried and told me I didn't love him and that I'd never loved him and said, "You've changed, you're not my 'little angel' anymore..."
One time he got in bed with me when I was a teenager, I was so uncomfortable and wanted him to leave, but instead he started making humping/thrusting motions with his hips on my bed and made moaning sounds. He was just joking though and was trying to illustrate his joke, which was of a sexual nature.
There was a lot of other things but yeah...
None of these was really overtly sexual (or maybe they were), but the sexual undertones makes me queasy and sick when I think about them. And this went on from as far back as I can remember until I was at least 20.
There were many other dynamics between the rest of my family. There was abuse at every turn, RA (religious/spiritual abuse), severe psychological abuse, verbal abuse, terrorizing abuse, physical abuse, and many other things.
Mind you this was all coupled with INTENSE love and the love was genuine. It was the most confusing bullshit ever and I remember wanting to kill myself and self-injured daily and was very sexual as a child. Would masturbate constantly and did sexual things with other children and with my toys.
My mom had no sexual relationship with my dad at all. They both fulfilled those things with me I think, in their own ways anyway. She gave off "bad vibes" while doing these things... I can't explain the vibes other than they made me feel really bad inside...
She is/was not open at all sexually with anyone ever. She liked to be naked really only around me, at least it seemed that way anyway, and then she would run off when my dad got home and leave him alone with me to play or whatever. When my dad got home things all changed between her, him, and me.
She was very interested in my genitals and stuff and with my bathroom habits and my maturation into an adult (like 11-14). I don't really know if it was sexual though, but I HATED it soooo much...
My mom and I weren't really ever close at all. She tried to be close to me but I hated her with such an intensity because I was poisoned against her by my dad and his family (parental alienation) and severe triangulations and lies and deceit. The whole dynamic of my family both immediate and extended is/was very messed up...
I understand naked doesn't always mean sexual... It's just a feeling I got from her. "Bad vibes" that's all I can call them. They made me feel creeped out, violated, and many other things. It's a weird dynamic. Neither of my parents wanted to teach me much of anything in terms of maturing. Ugh. Sickening. It's like they wanted me to stay little and stuff so they could take care of me forever. That was the feeling I used to get.
The cuddle times with my mom and her nakedness made me very uncomfortable... And I got those "bad feelings" when she did the cuddling and stuff, not when I was really little mind you but as I got older I got very uncomfortable... I cannot explain it but she put off these really creepy and "sick" feelings... I would say that I was about 9-13 when I stopped liking her cuddle times... But she still insisted on them, I would make up any excuse I could to not cuddle with her or to avoid her, but then she would guilt trip me into doing it with her anyway so sometimes I did because I felt bad... But I didn't really want to.
Yeah, then the things with my dad... I wouldn't feel comfortable when my dad did that torture stuff (the tendon stuff) and when he touched close to/right on top of practically, my vagina. Nor was I comfortable when he would do the tickle stuff with me cuz he um, well I didn't know what the "feelings" were at the time but looking back through adult eyes I can identify them as me being aroused... Because he would use his mouth, light finger touches, and whiskers and stuff all over my body to do the tickling... I can't recall if I was clothed or not... And it made me aroused I think... Oh god... I "reacted" to it, as it was very sensual to me... It was my dad though :-/ And I got this "feeling" from that... It was the same feeling I get now to a lover caressing me with their mouth on my body. Because that is essentially what he was doing on a physiological level. I don't know if he meant it as sexual but that is just how it felt to me...
I was at least 7 or 8 when they stopped bathing me I think, but they would still come in and not give me privacy... I don't know if I was that uncomfortable with the bath time at the time because I it seemed so normal to me...
In fact, when I was 12 or 13 I remember a little kid (he was maybe 6?) who had weird looking hair, I asked him why. He said, "Because I didn't get all the shampoo out."
I asked him, "Your mom doesn't know how to get your shampoo out?"
He laughed at me and said, "No she stopped bathing me when I was like 3!"
I was so confused. Because I couldn't fathom such a thing.... It seemed so normal to me to still have baths where your parents washed your body for you and/or sat there watching you intently at later ages.
First off... This specific abuse has nothing to do with religion but it seemed ritualized cuz it was systematic and happened so often more times than I can remember and it sometimes preceded other abuses.
Confused... Didn't think this is that bad but was it? Was it not nice?
To wake me up my parents would pour cold water on my chest/nipple area (sometimes) and always on my face and neck thus making me think I was drowning. :( I don't think it was their intention (to terrify me) but it was such a scary way to wake up... I remember that when I would be in a deep sleep that waking up to the feeling of water going in my nose and mouth and running in my ears made me feel like I was drowning and if I got upset they would laugh at me and just smile or would scream at me to get out of bed or just acted confused about why I was upset like they were trying to make me doubt it all like I was crazy or something... Their reactions were confusing to me... I always thought this was how all parents woke their kids up... And also, a lot of times they did this because I was a heavy sleeper so they would apparently tell me multiple times to get up but I would never remember it or would reply but would instantly fall right back to sleep... So I guess they "gave me a chance" so that makes it my fault.. I was a bad girl.
My dad also used to rip open the shower curtain while I was showering and dump big pichter-fulls of cold water all over my body. I hated it because it was very cold but I also hated it because I was naked and made me feel so ashamed and embarrassed cuz I didn't want my dad to see me naked... But he thought it was funny I guess, making me uncomfortable. The thing is he did this at random times so I never knew when to expect it so I essentially had to be always on guard and when I would hear the bathroom door open my heart would race but sometimes I wouldn't hear it open and would be taken by complete surprise. I would scream bloody murder of course and he would just laugh...
Why did they like to use water so much? Cold.... :'( Gives bad heachaes from cold :'( Scaree
So yes, It's a very scary feeling, the feeling of choking on water. I hated being woke up like that. Sometimes when they'd (my parents) did the water thing they would also turn the lights on and off so fast that they flickered and it was at such a fast rate that it made me disoriented, confused, and lightheaded (especially when done that fast and whilst one has been asleep). The light thing was one of their alternatives to do along with the water or instead of the water, depending.
Okay so I have difficult time knowing what not to say ended up writing novel. Read at risk. Triggering. This mentions the sexual stuff.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
I know my father loves me, but it is an INTENSE love - an unhealthy, smothering and enmeshed love mixed with abuse. It's very confusing.
I know my mother loves me too but she can be very controlling and passive aggressive at times, especially when I was 9/10+.
Apparently there is such a thing as non-touching sexual abuse, covert sexual abuse, emotional incest, etc. and they're all very closely related, oftentimes interrelated. This was basically my whole childhood.
For instance (I don't know if these were really abusive or not and that confuses me):
My mother and father would both bathe me until I was (at least I feel now) far old enough to bathe myself, yet they didn't really teach me how to do it so they had to do it for me and/or asked them to because I was dependent on them.
My my mother was almost always nude and would rub her breasts and her pubic area with her hands an awful lot (not really masturbating, just constant touching) and would lounge on the couch naked and very much exposed, sometimes sprawled out. She would do everything naked: cleaning, cooking, watching movies, etc. mostly when her and I were alone. When my father came home and she saw that he was pulling into the driveway from work, she would run away fast and shut herself in her room sometimes for hours, leaving dad and I together, sometimes she would just get dressed and run back out in time for him to get in the house and it was like nothing had happened. It's like she didn't want him to see her naked.
She would always want to have "cuddle time" with me and as I got older I HATED it. She would spoon me and caress my rib area, belly, back, and thighs. It's fuzzy can't remember much else. She wasn't naked during these times, but then again my memory is paltry so who knows. In fact I can't remember if I was naked or not... maybe I was naked I just can't remember. It's all so foggy.
She would do it to my cousins too when they were really little (2-6) and I remember wanting to run up and hit her and and whisk them away but I didn't, I never knew why I felt this way... cuz she wasn't doing anything wrong that I could see. I just knew in the pit of my stomach I wanted to be sick and kill myself all at once and even hurt her very badly. I just remember having the thought, "She is molesting them." But I had no idea why I thought that.
She had no boundaries. She would watch me bathe and shower, watch me use the toilet, barge in while I was dressing/undressing and when I would get upset she would laugh at me and tell me I was being uptight.
My dad on the other hand - our relationship was very sexual too but not so much physically as it was emotionally. He treated me as his wife, called me his little angel, we were severely enmeshed and there was severe triangulation between him, my mom, and myself.
He would make comments about my breasts and would pretend he was going to touch them and would chase me all over the house chanting, "boobies, boobies, boobies" maybe he even did touch, I can't remember, this took place ages (4-16 or older).
He would rub and pinch my butt and would tell me I had a "cute little ass" and that he could touch it "any damn time" he wanted to.
He frequently told me I was his.
He would do "torture games" that were severely painful, some of which allowed him to touch right next to my vagina or at least graze over it but I don't think he ever actually touched it.
He and I also wrestled a lot and there was a lot of power struggles as he'd get really excited when he'd pin me down so I couldn't move at all and do the torture games and tickle games. Sickening feelings...
He would tell me about his sexual life (or lack of) in great long-winded pity parties about how lonely he was and how my mom wouldn't pleasure him and how he wanted to be touched in that way men need and asked me if I found him attractive or sexy, I was maybe 9-11?
He one time, forced me to kiss him, and he pinned me down on my bed and I had to punch him in the head 3 times to get him off of me, I was 19 or 20. Then he cried and told me I didn't love him and that I'd never loved him and said, "You've changed, you're not my 'little angel' anymore..."
One time he got in bed with me when I was a teenager, I was so uncomfortable and wanted him to leave, but instead he started making humping/thrusting motions with his hips on my bed and made moaning sounds. He was just joking though and was trying to illustrate his joke, which was of a sexual nature.
There was a lot of other things but yeah...
None of these was really overtly sexual (or maybe they were), but the sexual undertones makes me queasy and sick when I think about them. And this went on from as far back as I can remember until I was at least 20.
There were many other dynamics between the rest of my family. There was abuse at every turn, RA (religious/spiritual abuse), severe psychological abuse, verbal abuse, terrorizing abuse, physical abuse, and many other things.
Mind you this was all coupled with INTENSE love and the love was genuine. It was the most confusing bullshit ever and I remember wanting to kill myself and self-injured daily and was very sexual as a child. Would masturbate constantly and did sexual things with other children and with my toys.
My mom had no sexual relationship with my dad at all. They both fulfilled those things with me I think, in their own ways anyway. She gave off "bad vibes" while doing these things... I can't explain the vibes other than they made me feel really bad inside...
She is/was not open at all sexually with anyone ever. She liked to be naked really only around me, at least it seemed that way anyway, and then she would run off when my dad got home and leave him alone with me to play or whatever. When my dad got home things all changed between her, him, and me.
She was very interested in my genitals and stuff and with my bathroom habits and my maturation into an adult (like 11-14). I don't really know if it was sexual though, but I HATED it soooo much...
My mom and I weren't really ever close at all. She tried to be close to me but I hated her with such an intensity because I was poisoned against her by my dad and his family (parental alienation) and severe triangulations and lies and deceit. The whole dynamic of my family both immediate and extended is/was very messed up...
I understand naked doesn't always mean sexual... It's just a feeling I got from her. "Bad vibes" that's all I can call them. They made me feel creeped out, violated, and many other things. It's a weird dynamic. Neither of my parents wanted to teach me much of anything in terms of maturing. Ugh. Sickening. It's like they wanted me to stay little and stuff so they could take care of me forever. That was the feeling I used to get.
The cuddle times with my mom and her nakedness made me very uncomfortable... And I got those "bad feelings" when she did the cuddling and stuff, not when I was really little mind you but as I got older I got very uncomfortable... I cannot explain it but she put off these really creepy and "sick" feelings... I would say that I was about 9-13 when I stopped liking her cuddle times... But she still insisted on them, I would make up any excuse I could to not cuddle with her or to avoid her, but then she would guilt trip me into doing it with her anyway so sometimes I did because I felt bad... But I didn't really want to.
Yeah, then the things with my dad... I wouldn't feel comfortable when my dad did that torture stuff (the tendon stuff) and when he touched close to/right on top of practically, my vagina. Nor was I comfortable when he would do the tickle stuff with me cuz he um, well I didn't know what the "feelings" were at the time but looking back through adult eyes I can identify them as me being aroused... Because he would use his mouth, light finger touches, and whiskers and stuff all over my body to do the tickling... I can't recall if I was clothed or not... And it made me aroused I think... Oh god... I "reacted" to it, as it was very sensual to me... It was my dad though :-/ And I got this "feeling" from that... It was the same feeling I get now to a lover caressing me with their mouth on my body. Because that is essentially what he was doing on a physiological level. I don't know if he meant it as sexual but that is just how it felt to me...
I was at least 7 or 8 when they stopped bathing me I think, but they would still come in and not give me privacy... I don't know if I was that uncomfortable with the bath time at the time because I it seemed so normal to me...
In fact, when I was 12 or 13 I remember a little kid (he was maybe 6?) who had weird looking hair, I asked him why. He said, "Because I didn't get all the shampoo out."
I asked him, "Your mom doesn't know how to get your shampoo out?"
He laughed at me and said, "No she stopped bathing me when I was like 3!"
I was so confused. Because I couldn't fathom such a thing.... It seemed so normal to me to still have baths where your parents washed your body for you and/or sat there watching you intently at later ages.
First off... This specific abuse has nothing to do with religion but it seemed ritualized cuz it was systematic and happened so often more times than I can remember and it sometimes preceded other abuses.
Confused... Didn't think this is that bad but was it? Was it not nice?
To wake me up my parents would pour cold water on my chest/nipple area (sometimes) and always on my face and neck thus making me think I was drowning. :( I don't think it was their intention (to terrify me) but it was such a scary way to wake up... I remember that when I would be in a deep sleep that waking up to the feeling of water going in my nose and mouth and running in my ears made me feel like I was drowning and if I got upset they would laugh at me and just smile or would scream at me to get out of bed or just acted confused about why I was upset like they were trying to make me doubt it all like I was crazy or something... Their reactions were confusing to me... I always thought this was how all parents woke their kids up... And also, a lot of times they did this because I was a heavy sleeper so they would apparently tell me multiple times to get up but I would never remember it or would reply but would instantly fall right back to sleep... So I guess they "gave me a chance" so that makes it my fault.. I was a bad girl.
My dad also used to rip open the shower curtain while I was showering and dump big pichter-fulls of cold water all over my body. I hated it because it was very cold but I also hated it because I was naked and made me feel so ashamed and embarrassed cuz I didn't want my dad to see me naked... But he thought it was funny I guess, making me uncomfortable. The thing is he did this at random times so I never knew when to expect it so I essentially had to be always on guard and when I would hear the bathroom door open my heart would race but sometimes I wouldn't hear it open and would be taken by complete surprise. I would scream bloody murder of course and he would just laugh...
Why did they like to use water so much? Cold.... :'( Gives bad heachaes from cold :'( Scaree
So yes, It's a very scary feeling, the feeling of choking on water. I hated being woke up like that. Sometimes when they'd (my parents) did the water thing they would also turn the lights on and off so fast that they flickered and it was at such a fast rate that it made me disoriented, confused, and lightheaded (especially when done that fast and whilst one has been asleep). The light thing was one of their alternatives to do along with the water or instead of the water, depending.







